The Lie That’s Keeping You Depressed, Overweight, and Stuck (And How to Break It)

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Hello, welcome to Overcome a Mental Health Podcast.

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I'm your host, Travis White.

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This is a place for you to share your mental health stories.

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Tonight I'm speaking with Sheri Arcaria, founder of MOBA, Master of Badassery, certified

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hypnotherapist and NLP practitioner.

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Sheri, welcome to the show.

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Thank you so much for having me, Travis.

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I'm really looking forward to being here.

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Yeah, well, the pleasure is all mine.

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I think we're going to have a great conversation.

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You have a lot of insight to offer the guests of the show.

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So I'm not without wasting any time.

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I'm just going to turn the microphone over to you.

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with no pressure whatsoever.

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em None at all.

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Okay, so I'm Sheri.

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I have an apparel brand called Master of Badassery.

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The acronym is MOBA.

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We've also built an incredible community of people who are all like-minded in wanting to

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utilize the best of mindset.

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And mindset was something that I don't think I ever knew what it was for many years.

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There wasn't a term for it.

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It's just something that I've always utilized.

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from my I became a certified hypnotherapist back in my 20s and just the idea of how the

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subconscious brain works and how putting out good putting out good thoughts will manifest

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into good things and I just kind of utilized that and that idea like my entire life in

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different aspects whether it was from my weight loss journey to overcoming obstacles or

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having like we can all relate to when the rug gets pulled out from underneath you and you

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don't think that you can make it through

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I've had bouts of depression in the past, just situational based on life doesn't go the

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way that it's supposed to go.

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And over time, it was this idea of mindset that has pulled me out of it every single time.

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And so being able to create a community of people knowing you're not alone, whatever

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you're going through, there's always a solution.

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You can always adapt to it.

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You can always overcome it.

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And it's become...

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One of the greatest things that I've ever done for myself, for sure.

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It's awesome.

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I love to hear it.

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And take, I'd love to for you to take us to the beginning of MOBA, that moment where you

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realize something had to change and how you created the brand.

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So it's actually an interesting story.

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So if you remember, I don't know if you remember March of 2020 when the world just stopped

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for everyone.

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And it wasn't just in your little town, the entire world was brought down to its knees.

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as we all like offices closed instantly, everything shut down.

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I was in California, so we were the first ones to completely shut down everything, stores.

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I couldn't work and after only three days of binging like six shows on Netflix and going

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to the fridge every single hour, I was somebody that used to be over 350 pounds and that

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fear and that distress started.

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I had a full blown panic attack.

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Like we had no idea how long this was going to last.

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So I started trying to be proactive and I started every time we had to go and find toilet

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paper, which was scarce.

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in March, April of 2020, every time I would go out to find toilet paper, I would ask if

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they were hiring, like, put me out there.

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I can't sit at home and do nothing.

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I have to be proactive.

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And I ended up getting a part-time job at a Walgreens.

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And number one, I forgot what it was like to work retail.

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It had been like 20 years since I worked retail.

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And to work retail in the middle of a worldwide pandemic um is not something I would

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highly recommend.

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Because if you've ever been in customer service,

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you're going to deal with your share of like angry customers.

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But when a hundred percent of your customers are angry, I realized it was actually causing

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more issues to mental health than what I was hoping was going to come from it.

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And it was getting to the point where people were mad at me because there was no

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thermometers, there was no sanitizer, there was no this.

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And I was getting yelled at on a daily basis.

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And at one hand, I was like, I didn't need this job at the moment.

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I was doing this because I wanted to do something good.

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And I was on the verge of quitting.

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But there was one night, I'll never forget, I was working at the register and I realized I

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had two options.

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I can keep complaining or I can do something about it.

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And there was a man that came to the register.

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He had a mask on, his head was down and I was ringing him up and you could tell he kind of

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had like a hint of an attitude because the sanitizer we had didn't have the correct

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percentage of alcohol that he was hoping for.

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And I said, you know what?

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Hypothetically, everything's open tomorrow.

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the restaurants are open, where are you taking me for dinner?

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And he looked up and he was annoyed as crap and he goes, what?

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And I was like, oh, abort mission, abort mission.

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And I was like, no, I'm committed.

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said, you know what?

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Hypothetically, everything's open tomorrow.

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The restaurants are open, where are you taking me to dinner?

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And he actually thought about it and he said Maria's, which was a Mexican joint down the

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street.

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And I was like, my God, Maria's like, I love their fajitas.

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It's my favorite thing.

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And then all of a sudden the conversation was turning to Taco Tuesday and I was talking to

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about margaritas.

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And by the time he left, cut like he had a mask on, but I could tell he was smiling.

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I could see it in his eyes, his whole entire demeanor change.

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And it was almost like, this was probably like in June of 2020.

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It was like for the first time that he realized this is going to end at some point.

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We might not know when, but at some point it's going to be over.

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And he left and I kind of thought about it and I was like, maybe it's a fluke.

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But the rest of the night, every single time that somebody came to the register, I asked

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them the same question, where are you taking me for dinner?

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Everything's open.

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Then it was turning into sushi restaurants.

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It was turning into the little cafe down the street.

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And one by one, every single person's attitude changed.

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It was like they were no longer living in fear.

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In that single moment, there was hope.

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And it was like focusing on the good that's gonna be on the other side of this.

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And I came home that night and I felt like a badass.

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I was like, I changed opinions that night.

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I changed their attitude.

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And at the time I told my husband, was like, how's a master of badassery tonight?

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Like it was amazing.

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And it was something I say as a phrase, you know, like for years, like if I fixed the

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garbage disposal, I'm a master of badassery.

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I BS my way through a college paper.

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I was a master of badassery.

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And this time he said, you should put it on a shirt.

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And I was like, no one's going to buy that.

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And he goes,

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You never know.

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And I was like, you never know.

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So I know nothing about the clothing industry.

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I know nothing about the fashion, but I decided to go about finding a way to create a

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logo.

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And I created a logo and figured out how to put it on a t-shirt.

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And by December of 2020, we had our first t-shirts being made.

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And it was just as a way to kind of just promote positivity and promote like thinking

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about the bigger picture.

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And you can accomplish what you want to accomplish.

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You just have to believe that it's going to be different.

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in your favor.

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And then ever since then, like I said, it started with a little t-shirt and now we have

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shirts, we have hats, we have beanies, we have bags.

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And then it turned into, I was on social media promoting it on social media and there

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became a following and we started doing workout challenges on lives and we would do pushup

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challenges or wall sits.

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And one by one, I was watching people who ran a wheelchair that were doing a plank from

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their little wheelchair.

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to point where all of a sudden they were doing a wall sit with us.

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I was watching people who were once on oxygen and they had the belief that they weren't

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gonna be on oxygen anymore.

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And then months go by and they're doing a wall sit for the first time in their lives.

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And it was like watching people in real time accomplish things that they never thought

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possible because someone told them it's possible if you believe in it and you put the work

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in.

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And now we have an entire community of people who are just, know, beasting through crap

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and.

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utilizing mindset in every aspect.

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It's not just fitness, it's in every aspect of your life.

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Yeah, that's super cool that you were able to make that connection with people because I

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can remember I've worked retail.

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I didn't work retail during the pandemic at all.

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I would have never wanted to, would never wanted to.

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But I think it's cool because you didn't see a lot of that connection during that time.

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I still think we're still recovering from that time.

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I agree.

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think the part, one of the things I had to understand too is they were not angry at me as

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Cheri.

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Like they weren't mad at me personally.

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It was just projected towards me.

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And I think oftentimes like the hardest part with communication with people is that people

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are communicating from their emotional state that they're in currently.

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And oftentimes we think it's about us on the receiving end, but it's not.

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And when I looked back, they were scared.

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You know, some of those people were leaving their house for the first time because they

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finally ran out of stuff.

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They were terrified of going home and not being able to come back or their loved ones are,

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you know, passing away.

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And we had no idea if this was ever going to end.

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so in hindsight, I realized, okay, they weren't mad at me, but it was like, but when

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you're around negative people like that, it affects you negatively.

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And then it puts you in a net and it becomes very,

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It just spreads like wildfire.

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so during that time, I was like trying to, and I don't know if you remember, but like

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people were fighting on social media.

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People were ending relationships.

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They were breaking up with family members because of the side of the fence you were on on

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an opinion.

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And watching this negative trajectory of people, like we were hate, we had so much hate

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and so much anger, misdirected anger that I started.

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I started going online and posting positive stuff or I would find like a local business

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and I would give them a highlight.

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And when I was working on the logo, I would go online.

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I'm like, Hey, meet Tom.

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Tom is a small business owner and he's a bad ass because he's still showing up for himself

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every single day.

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And I started highlighting people in the community as a way to just have like this glimmer

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of positivity and focus on the good in the world.

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And over time it started spreading like wildfire.

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Those people.

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you know, they were on cloud nine that somebody recognized them.

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And then all of sudden they would make posts and they would shout out somebody else.

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And it was creating like this avalanche of positivity in the attempts of trying to

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overthrow, you know, this scary time that we were in.

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Yeah, for sure.

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And I love that you're making people feel like, you know, that basically they're a badass.

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They can, they have more to them than what's going on in the world around them.

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Absolutely.

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I'm also like I tell people I'm very nauseatingly positive, you know, so just be prepared.

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Well, I love it because my wife will tell everybody this.

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I'm pessimistic.

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Just me.

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m So I'm the opposite.

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I try to be more optimistic and I think since I've been doing this podcast, it's made me

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more optimistic because I hear all these stories and how these people change.

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I'm like, oh, I actually have a lot to be grateful for.

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Actually, there's a lot of good in my life.

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Absolutely.

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My mom used to always, she had this famous phrase, she would say, keep telling yourself

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that.

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So if you said, I'm never gonna be able to do this, keep telling yourself that.

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The more you keep telling yourself, like, it's whether you're right or wrong, you're gonna

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be right every single time.

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If you believe that you can't do that, if you believe that the other shoe is gonna drop,

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it's going to happen, you're putting it out there.

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So it was to the point my mom would say it so many times, it would annoy the crap out of

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me.

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And I find myself as an adult going,

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All right, mom, you're right.

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And now I tell people when they're like, yeah, I can't do a wall sit.

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All right, keep telling yourself that.

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Let me know how that works out for you.

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Yeah, love it.

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It's like you do have to be consistent in the things that you do, or else it doesn't work.

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Yeah, the one thing that we're guaranteed in life is change, whether we want it or not.

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The pandemic was a perfect example.

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didn't matter how much money you had, what your education was, where you lived.

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Everybody was affected the same way.

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And so we're always going to have two options.

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We can live in the pessimism, we can live in the negativity and why me?

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Why is this happening to me?

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Or we can think about why not me?

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This is an opportunity for us to find our strength.

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This is an opportunity for us to conquer something.

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This is an opportunity for us to

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show how strong we can really be.

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the more that you start looking at it that way, the more you start welcoming these quote

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unquote blind sides that happen in life.

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And you're like, all right, universe or God or whatever it is you believe in, I see what

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you're doing here.

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All right, let's see what we can do.

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Yeah, exactly.

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And you, kind of start going into something there, like the, you know, why me?

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So I, you know, I'd refer to that as self-sabotaging.

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What, how do you help people recognize that they are self-sabotaging?

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I kind of, I ask a lot of questions.

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So when somebody says that they can't do something, I go, why?

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Well, because of finance.

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I guess a perfect example is if somebody says I can't lose weight, because a lot of people

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in the MOBA community are people who are on a weight loss journey.

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So that's usually a running theme with people.

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Why can't work out?

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Well, why can't you work out?

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Well, because I don't have money for a gym membership.

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Why do need a membership to the gym?

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You know, well, because, you know, they have machines and stuff.

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said, okay, but do have two legs?

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like do have any like physical ailments?

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There's always stuff that you can do at home.

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And it's gotten to a point where it's almost a game.

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The more people give me excuses, the more it just spurs me on to find a solution to adapt.

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And I remember there was a woman who had reached out to me and she's like, I can't walk,

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you know, like I, cause she was very, she was very obese.

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She was looking to have the surgery, but she wasn't there yet.

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And she's like, my husband has to drop me off at the front door.

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to walk to the front, I can't walk more than a couple of minutes.

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she's like, I can't lose weight.

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And I said, so what do you do?

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And she goes, well, just sit at home all day.

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And I was, okay, can you walk for 30 seconds?

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And she like rolls her eyes like, well, yeah, I can do 30 seconds.

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Then do 30 seconds.

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That's 30 seconds more than you were doing before.

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And I said, if after 30 seconds, you have it in you to do a little bit more, then great.

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But if not,

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you committed to 30 seconds.

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And then if you feel later in the day to set a timer for 30 seconds, then see what

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happens.

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said, but the point is I'd rather you do 1 % than to do absolutely nothing and keep

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yourself behind.

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And she sent me a message about a month and a half later, she was up to three minutes,

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three times a day.

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And she was so elated.

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I'm like, all it took is like, we have this all or nothing mentality.

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We feel like we have to go big or go home.

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And I'm

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total culprit of that all the time.

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But sometimes when you have this go-bigger-go-home mentality, you psych yourself out, it

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becomes too overwhelming to try, and then you do nothing.

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I'd rather you do a portion of it or a little piece of it and be consistent than to do

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absolutely nothing.

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Yeah, and that's one thing that I had to learn because I always thought it was go big or

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go home until I started going to therapy.

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And he's like, no, take, take the small steps.

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Like even if you're going one step forward and three steps back, you're still taking a

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step forward in the right direction.

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So

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you're knocked down, take a step forward every single time.

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Yeah, but then that the story you just told, those are like the trip types of

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transformation stories that I absolutely love.

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So thank you for sharing that.

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Absolutely.

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I trying to think of, I had it in my mind.

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Now let me remember my thought.

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I'm going to go kind of towards hypnotherapy because I think this is a cool subject.

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How do hypnotherapies support you on your journey?

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So honestly, it was because we don't really understand how powerful our subconscious brain

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is.

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to put it like in very, very basic terms, you have your conscious brain and your

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subconscious brain.

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Your conscious brain can only handle one thought at a time.

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So you and I are talking, we're focusing on what each other are saying to each other, and

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then that's it.

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Whereas your subconscious mind, I kind of describe it as this 24 seven computer that

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records everything.

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every sense, every sound, smell, taste, everything.

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So while you are talking consciously, our subconscious brain is listening to the

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background noises, whatever's in our peripherals, the things that we're not thinking

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about, it records that.

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And so we don't realize how powerful our words are and our thoughts are, even if we're

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having them to ourselves.

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So for instance, I'm trying to think of like a really good example, but like the

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subconscious

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brain.

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A perfect example is when, cause I use weight loss a lot cause I have a lot of people in

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the weight loss community.

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So when somebody says I want to lose weight, I'm trying to lose weight.

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Well, subconsciously what happens every time you lose something since you were a kid, you

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lost your socks, you lose your cell phone, you lose your car keys, you actively

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frantically go to search and find them.

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So every time we are losing weight, how many times do we lose 10 pounds?

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We gain 20.

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We lose 10 pounds, we gain 20.

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It's because we're teaching our subconscious is recognizing, crap, she lost weight.

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We have to go find it like quickly.

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And then you gain the weight.

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It can take me two weeks to lose three pounds and then overnight I can gain it back.

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And so it's about retraining your brain on how to talk to yourself.

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Instead of saying, I want to lose weight, I am releasing weight.

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I am getting rid of toxins in my body.

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When you find a way to...

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reframe your vocabulary and certain things, it's amazing how much differently things

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around you start to fall into place to get to the goals that you want.

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So when people say, want to lose weight, no, no, we're releasing it.

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We're finding that crap again.

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And there's like, can use that to a ton of different like examples, but in working on your

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vocabulary, your self-talk, I can't do this.

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I can't do that.

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I am not good enough for this.

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I am not.

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enough for that, I am not thin enough for this, the more that you keep telling yourself

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that, your subconscious believes it as true.

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Our subconscious doesn't know the difference between fact and fiction.

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So if you keep telling yourself that, your subconscious is going to believe it and then

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your body and everything around you is going to start reacting to live up to what is being

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told.

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So once you start talking to yourself differently, talking to outside of you differently,

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It's kind of amazing how differently things around you start to fall into place the way

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that you want it to.

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And it's not magic.

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It's just, the thing with hypnotherapies, I tell people you spend your whole life

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de-hypnotizing people.

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We've been conditioned our whole life on certain ideas and fad diets and this and that,

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that if you just de-hypnotize yourself to what you've always thought you knew and try

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something different, it's amazing the results that you're gonna get from it.

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Oh yeah, for sure.

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And I, I have like firsthand experience with that type of stuff.

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Cause I had some, I've had medical problems throughout the years and last year I basically

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had to change my whole mindset and start eating differently than I ever have.

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But it turned out great for me because my medical problems I've been able, have seizures

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and I've been able to even those out and

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I actually lost a lot of weight by changing the way I eat.

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And I think it was my body saying, you know what?

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I've had enough of you putting that much junk in here.

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So.

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for you.

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And I imagine for you, it was kind of like this aha moment where something happened

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unexpectedly that kind of scared you into having to do something different.

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Yeah.

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I've had seizures since 2009.

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They kind of left for a while and then they came back last year, fall force.

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Like I had a cluster of them and I think my mind and I have during that time I had three

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young kids.

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have three young kids.

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So I was like, I want to be here longer.

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I need to, I'm a provider.

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Like I'm a father.

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And so that was, that was that moment.

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was like, something has to change.

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And so I,

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I did it.

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So, I'm here today.

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That's part of what started this podcast is because I was in that mindset finally, too.

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Like I've always had the idea, but I felt like I wasn't the right mindset because I didn't

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want to sit and hear people's stories when I was going through all this stuff myself and

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didn't think I was in the right place.

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No, and good for you.

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Like I can't even imagine like how scary that is, especially because I don't have kids,

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but I would imagine just being by yourself and having something like that happen is

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traumatizing in of itself.

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The idea that like you have a wife and kids and people who are dependent on you as dad and

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you know, as a provider, I can't imagine the added level of stress that that can add to

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wanting to find answers and wanting to find a solution.

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Yeah.

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And it's, took years, it was years, but like, it's like, I, I'm glad I'm here.

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so you mentioned that, you know, you lost quite a bit of weight.

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and what, what was the biggest mind, mindset shift like for you personally?

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So for me, I was kind of like overweight my entire life.

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I was told at 13 that I was fat by a teacher and had to go on a diet.

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So weight was always an issue my whole life.

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by the time I was in my 20s, early 30s, I was over 350 pounds.

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But you still think you're invincible because I can still do things.

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I was always in pain.

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You never realize how much pain you're in until you're not in it anymore, which was in

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hindsight.

22:04

But there was a day where I had

22:07

blood test done, my yearly physical, and the blood test came back with type two diabetes,

22:07

fatty liver, and high cholesterol, all in the same shot.

22:15

And that was my aha moment.

22:17

And the doctor was telling me, she was about, she was writing me all these prescriptions.

22:21

It was like five different prescriptions.

22:23

This one for diabetes, this one for cholesterol, this one for the fatty liver, and then it

22:23

was like blood pressure medicine.

22:29

I'm like, well, why do I need blood pressure medicine?

22:31

They're like, well, because if you take this medication, then it's going to cause your

22:31

blood pressure to go up.

22:35

So you need this medication to counteract it.

22:37

And I got so overwhelmed.

22:38

I didn't want to be like this statistic.

22:40

I was only like 30, maybe 31 at the time.

22:44

And about six months prior to that, my best friend, who was my childhood brother had

22:44

passed away unexpectedly.

22:52

So now, and he was obese too.

22:54

So watching him die at 27 and here I am getting like this.

22:58

this almost like this death wish on a piece of paper scared me enough.

23:02

And I asked the doctor, said, look, what if I just lost the weight?

23:06

Like I know that I've done the fad diets and everything like that, but I've never had a

23:06

test like this before.

23:10

What if I do everything I need to do and I lose the weight?

23:14

And she was like, well, even if you lost all the weight at this point, you're gonna have

23:14

diabetes forever.

23:18

And I don't know why it just bugged the crap out of me.

23:21

She didn't know me.

23:23

She didn't know my history.

23:24

And so I walked out, she gave me the prescription.

23:27

I told my husband, give me six months, because the diabetes wasn't high enough that it was

23:27

an overall risk.

23:34

I said, give me six months.

23:36

If in six months, I can't reverse this crap on my own, I will succumb to the medication.

23:41

I will be that statistic.

23:42

I will do what I need to do, but you give me six months.

23:44

And he goes, if you know what you're doing, do it.

23:47

And I did for six months.

23:49

I cut everything out of my diet.

23:50

started walking every single day.

23:52

The first month you lost 20 pounds, which is a lot of water weight, and you're motivated.

23:57

The second month, I didn't lose anything.

23:59

But I had a mission to prove that doctor wrong.

24:02

That's all I cared about.

24:03

I didn't care about the weight anymore.

24:04

I just wanted to prove her wrong.

24:06

And I stayed consistent for six months.

24:08

And six months later, I got tested again and there was no more diabetes and there was no

24:08

more fatty liver and the cholesterol was within normal.

24:16

And the doctor said, see, this is why you need to take the medication.

24:20

And I got to be very smug and I was like, I didn't feel the prescription.

24:24

And that was the beginning of my personal mindset journey is I set my mind onto something

24:24

I focus on only that I visualize the end result and I did what I need to do.

24:37

The problem was is after six months, I only lost that 20 pounds the first month and then

24:37

nothing came off.

24:42

So it wasn't.

24:44

for a lack of trying.

24:45

had doctors giving me medications for weight loss.

24:47

I had like different programs and stuff.

24:50

And so that's when I looked into finally bariatric surgery in 2014.

24:55

And so I had a gastric sleeve 11 years ago and it's changed my life ever since.

25:02

I love that you, I just love stories when people go against like their doctors for some

25:02

reason, like it just is, no, no, no, no, I agree there.

25:12

I didn't mean that way.

25:13

Like, um, cause the same thing happened.

25:17

Well, kind of like I got blood tests in my, was pre-diabetic, my liver, had a fatty liver

25:17

and all this other stuff, but I was, I actually started going to a functional medicine

25:27

doctor.

25:28

Mm-hmm.

25:29

And they put me on supplements.

25:30

And that's when I started seeing some of these big changes.

25:33

it's so it's yeah.

25:37

And it's, like, I can't believe it.

25:41

and it's like, and before, you, that's when the mindset kind of changes.

25:45

Like I had this kind of idea of like medicine, like the medical doctors that had to shift

25:45

because before I didn't believe in kind of the functional medicine side of.

25:57

stuff like it.

25:58

I found it kind of hooey and you know there may be people listening that still do and

25:58

that's totally fine.

26:05

And I'm one of those people, I am not anti-medication.

26:08

I'm a firm believer, you need medication, then you take the medication.

26:13

For me personally, I find that oftentimes medication is used to mask a problem.

26:19

Whereas I would like to know if there's a way I can fix the problem, I would like to fix

26:19

the problem first.

26:25

And if I can't, because there's a biological reason or there's a chemical reason that is

26:25

beyond what I can physically, capably do myself, then it's...

26:34

It's like a safety net.

26:35

are medications out there that can help, but I've done it now with the weight loss

26:35

journey.

26:40

I've done it on the mental health journey.

26:43

I've been able to find ways for me personally, to be able to get either off medications or

26:43

to avoid medications by doing, and sometimes it's harder, you know, to get into the root

26:56

of the issues and stuff.

26:57

But for me, it's important enough to try to uproot it to have it never come back again.

27:03

than to just constantly mask it and never know how much pain you're truly in.

27:09

But that's just me.

27:11

know, yeah, I agree.

27:12

And my, from my side, like it comes from, was on a bunch of anti-seizure medication and I

27:12

started hallucinating.

27:19

It's having very, very bad side effects.

27:22

So I, you know, the doctors told me, well, you're crazy.

27:25

You need to go see a psychiatrist.

27:28

And so I got evaluated and they're like, you might have anxiety, you're not hallucinations

27:28

are coming from the medication you're on.

27:35

So I tapered without the doctor's permission.

27:37

I tapered myself off.

27:39

I went back to him said, no, like everything's fine, but I cannot take this medicine.

27:43

So I tried a couple of different things and some of them like made me like really stupid.

27:50

Like I couldn't get through a false sentence without slurring my speech or stumbling over

27:50

my words.

27:56

So I was like, you know what, fine.

27:58

then that's, that's where my, like, like I said, like you said, I'm not anti-medication,

27:58

I, but.

28:07

I'll take stuff here and there, but it's like, I found things that work for me.

28:11

So.

28:12

yeah, and I also hate that, know, doctors who don't know you that well, I feel like we

28:12

often make a blank, blanketed statements based on patterns or based on, you know, the

28:22

average person.

28:23

But I would, I had a nervous breakdown many, many years ago, long before my weight loss,

28:23

no, after my weight loss journey.

28:30

And they had put me on medication because I knew at that point, I had no other option.

28:34

I could not function on a daily basis.

28:37

And it worked, but again, when I got to a place where I was in a good place, I wanted to

28:37

get to the root of it.

28:43

I didn't want to live like this the rest of my life.

28:46

And I would ask the doctors, what can I do to wean off of it?

28:50

And they would tell me, well, if you get off the medication, you're gonna have panic

28:50

attacks for the rest of your life.

28:54

And just like that other doctor, I got very, very stubborn.

28:58

And I'm like, let me prove you wrong.

29:00

So then I started going to therapy.

29:02

I started working on my issues.

29:04

I knew what it caused.

29:05

my situation.

29:06

was a situational occurrence.

29:08

It wasn't a chemical thing.

29:10

And over time, and I kept like one or two pills in my purse.

29:14

I kept it in my purse for years.

29:15

It was like this added security blanket.

29:18

But every time I felt like I was starting to get nervous or starting to get anxious, I

29:18

knew that it was in there if I needed to.

29:24

But what can I do in the moment now on my own?

29:26

And if I can't handle it, I knew I had something to fall back on.

29:29

So like I said, I'm not anti.

29:32

medication but since then I've never had to take that pill ever since.

29:36

I love it.

29:37

I think it's fantastic.

29:39

I'm totally a big believer in taking medication to get out of those ruts and to push

29:39

through stuff.

29:49

So why would you say like throughout your journey, what roadblocks were the hardest for

29:49

you to remove?

30:01

I think a lot of it, the hardest thing for me was when it came to relationships in

30:01

general, friendships, family, marriages and stuff, I realized that when you are not happy

30:15

with yourself, your relationships are never gonna be healthy.

30:19

And so one of the things, when I was going through my weight loss journey, I had to really

30:19

look deep inside myself and kind of own up who I was, the good and the bad.

30:29

and understand like, I don't know about you, I was a people pleaser.

30:33

I was a yes person, know, even if I didn't wanna do it or if I didn't do it, they're gonna

30:33

be upset.

30:39

If I didn't respond to that phone call right away, they were gonna be upset.

30:41

And I think the biggest transformation for me was learning how to set boundaries and

30:41

learning to decide I'm numero uno in Sheri's world, Sheri's numero uno.

30:52

Everybody else is secondary and it...

30:55

It still feels like it's a very selfish thing to do, but I feel like it's something that's

30:55

very necessary for us.

31:02

We have to put ourselves first.

31:04

When they talk about filling people's cups or pouring from an empty glass, it gets so

31:04

true.

31:09

It took a long time to get to a point where you learn to tell people no, and you learn to

31:09

set your boundaries.

31:15

And during that process, there are people who will leave your life and it's a hard pill to

31:15

swallow.

31:22

But then you have to look at how valuable what were those relationships if they were only

31:22

around because they were getting something from it and they were not contributing as much

31:32

or anybody who doesn't support you wanting to be the best version of yourself doesn't have

31:32

your best interests at heart.

31:40

They're probably not your people.

31:42

And it's been hard, know, I've had family members and friends and stuff over the years

31:42

that you kind of have to just.

31:50

sever the tie with or just kind of cut the string on it.

31:53

But once you do, you feel like a huge weight has been lifted.

31:56

And then the more that you do that, the more you attract the right kind of people who are

31:56

going to be supportive, who are going to walk alongside you and not try to step on you to

32:07

get to the top or not try to use you for their own benefit.

32:10

And you kind of start being more selective on the kind of people you want in your

32:10

immediate surroundings.

32:18

Yeah, I love that because I think that's important.

32:21

it's set in setting batteries.

32:23

Like you said, it's very hard.

32:24

And I have a quick story that totally resonates with that.

32:28

so I have this friend, he was a co I was a roommate.

32:30

He's my college roommate and I kept in touch with him.

32:33

I mean, that was 20 years ago now, but I'll text him here and there.

32:37

I don't see him that often, but anyways, it'd been a couple of years since we'd spoke.

32:40

So I texted him.

32:41

It was like, how are you doing?

32:43

You know, like

32:44

Being roommates back in the day, we spoke fun of each other all the time.

32:49

And which was fine back then, but now like I was in a stage of my life where I couldn't

32:49

take it.

32:53

He brought up lot of this past stuff.

32:56

This was all through texts.

32:57

He sent me a song texts, like making fun of me.

33:00

So I pulled out my phone and this is before like I was going to major therapy and actually

33:00

knew what setting boundaries was like.

33:08

But I looked back and I was like, this is totally me setting a boundary.

33:12

And so he, I texted him back and I said,

33:14

Okay.

33:25

Okay.

33:27

back a month after that.

33:28

He apologizes and said, sorry, I'll never behave like that again.

33:31

Like we are better friends than that.

33:33

And it's been cool ever since.

33:36

And it's because I set that boundary.

33:39

Yeah.

33:40

You have to.

33:40

It's interesting.

33:41

And one thing that we have to realize too, whenever you're on your own personal journey

33:41

and the more you start elevating yourself, we have to remember that not everybody is on

33:50

the same playing field or on the same level of their journey as us.

33:54

And so sometimes

33:55

people are gonna fall to the wayside.

33:57

And it's not because you're better than them in any way, or form.

34:01

It's just some people will look at your success and either make it about themselves as

34:01

like an inferior or an insecurity thing.

34:08

Like, oh, she's lost 150 pounds.

34:11

I can't lose five pounds.

34:12

And then they start creating this different vision of you, based on it's a reflection of

34:12

them as a person.

34:20

Or sometimes people will be inspired by the changes that you're making.

34:25

and they want to walk up at the same level as you.

34:28

And those are the people you want.

34:30

But if you had never said anything, he would have continued to constantly do it to the

34:30

point where either you would have popped off or you would have completely ended it or said

34:38

something that you regretted because you're afraid to speak up because you're afraid if I

34:38

speak up, then he's going to make fun of me more.

34:45

He's going to get mad at me or not be my friend.

34:48

Well, is he really your friend if he's constantly putting you down?

34:52

Or is it because you're allowing it?

34:55

And if you're not saying he doesn't know not to do it, sometimes they don't realize that

34:55

what they're saying or doing is hurtful because it's never been brought to their

35:03

attention.

35:03

So if nothing's being said, it's a free pass.

35:06

They keep doing it.

35:07

I've been made fun of my entire life, but I also realized I made fun of myself as a

35:07

defense mechanism for so many years that I gave people permission to put me down or to

35:17

say, you know, hurtful things.

35:19

Do I have anyone to blame?

35:20

No, I allowed that to happen.

35:22

I never said anything about it.

35:25

and or I would beat them to the punch by um making it worse.

35:29

But the minute you speak up two things could have happened.

35:32

He learned that, okay maybe he doesn't like it when I do that.

35:35

You have a conversation about it or he gets defensive and then he doesn't talk to you ever

35:35

again.

35:39

Yeah.

35:39

And it's, and it's, it's crazy because as I can remember that, and it's probably been at

35:39

least five years ago, maybe longer that happened.

35:48

And I still contact him to this day, but it's like, I feel like since I said that our

35:48

relationship actually improved and now we're like more open with each other about what

35:58

we're going through.

36:00

I love that.

36:04

So how do you today stay grounded when, you know, through unexpected obstacles that

36:04

appear?

36:16

Some days are a lot easier, a lot harder than others, I will say.

36:20

It's just like we can all relate.

36:21

I love writing.

36:22

I'm very big on journaling and writing out your feelings and getting out of you.

36:27

I was somebody my whole life that always held everything in and like you just kept pushing

36:27

it, pushing it, pushing it.

36:33

Whereas now, one, when I'm going through these obstacles, I take the time to acknowledge

36:33

the roadblock that I'm facing.

36:40

just acknowledging I'm in a really crappy situation right now and sometimes I have to feel

36:40

the feels.

36:48

Sometimes you have to cry about it, you have to get angry about it, but you don't wanna

36:48

live there.

36:53

That's the important thing is like so many times when crap, I don't know if you can curse,

36:53

I'm trying not to curse.

36:58

When stuff happens, it's very easy to live in the suck and to let it completely consume

36:58

you.

37:04

So one, I acknowledge that it sucks.

37:07

I'm allowing myself, I was never a crier my entire life.

37:10

I was always the tough cookie, but I'm allowing myself to feel the feelings.

37:15

And then from there, I write it out.

37:16

I write out what I'm frustrated by.

37:18

write out what I would like to see happen.

37:21

Sometimes I'll try to manifest.

37:23

I do a lot of meditation CDs, just ways to kind of help me get grounded.

37:27

I find that working out or doing any kind of workouts or going for a walk is very, very

37:27

good for mental health.

37:34

It just naturally raises your hormones in a good place.

37:38

I will, like I said, I'll meditate.

37:40

Sometimes what I've been doing lately is every single day I'll write down a worry that I

37:40

have and then I rip it up.

37:47

So I'm really worried that such and such is not gonna come to fruition and then I write it

37:47

up.

37:52

Or I'm really worried that I'm not gonna lose the few pounds of regain that I have and

37:52

then I rip it up.

37:56

And it's kind of like acknowledging it's okay to have fear, it's okay to be scared.

38:01

but we're ripping it up so that we're releasing it out into the world.

38:05

It's not gonna live in this negative space in our body.

38:09

And then I'll replace it and I'll write something I'm grateful for that day.

38:12

I'm grateful that I have a roof over my head.

38:14

I'm grateful that I have money in the bank.

38:16

I'm grateful that I have somebody that I can call at three o'clock in the morning if I'm

38:16

having a rough time.

38:21

And I just try to all of these negative feelings that you have, you throw it out into the

38:21

universe and then you replace it with something good to help keep you.

38:30

more appreciative of what we have now in the moment.

38:36

Absolutely love it.

38:37

And you mentioned, you know, writing there and how you've always written stuff.

38:42

So, and you've written a few books.

38:45

So after becoming an author and sharing your story, what surprised you the most?

38:52

healing it is when you write your own story.

38:56

When we've all had stuff happen in our past, but there's something about writing about

38:56

your past from your current place.

39:02

It kind of just brings like this different perspective and reflection on how far you've

39:02

come.

39:08

So the first book that I wrote was unzipped, which was all about my weight loss journey.

39:13

And going back and reliving a lot of those moments and writing it from a place where I

39:13

wasn't that person anymore.

39:19

and realizing how your past shapes who you are today.

39:24

It doesn't define who you are today, but it does help shape the person that you become.

39:30

And so for me, I found it to be kind of like the biggest, I feel like the freest version

39:30

of therapy that I've ever had is to tell my story.

39:42

That's awesome.

39:44

And you have two books.

39:47

Yeah, I currently have two books.

39:48

second.

39:49

So the first book unzipped is about my weight loss journey dealing with obesity and in

39:49

overcoming that.

39:54

The second book is called Blindsided.

39:57

And it's just a lot of stories of every time in my life that I've been blindsided by

39:57

something and how I either found humor or how I found a way to adapt around it and how

40:07

even a lot of those blind sides later on in life served a purpose.

40:12

And sometimes you don't realize I say it all the time.

40:15

Everything's for a reason.

40:16

Whether we understand the why yet, it all happens for a reason.

40:21

I am a firm believer in that.

40:25

It's, I, totally believe it like 110%, like everything is for a reason.

40:31

It is.

40:32

Like I said, whether you're religious or spiritual or none of the above, I've had too many

40:32

instances in my life where if things did not play out the way that it played out back

40:41

then, it would not have come to fruition the way that it needed to right now.

40:47

yeah.

40:48

it's, I can say the same thing about myself.

40:50

And it's like, even look back because I work in the tech industry and I was laid off three

40:50

times in seven years.

40:57

And each time I was laid off, like it was like a hit to my ego.

41:01

Like it was a hit to my self esteem and everything.

41:03

And, but it's like every time that I found a new job, it was just a little bit better than

41:03

the last one.

41:12

Mm-hmm.

41:12

everything.

41:13

I looked back and I was like, you know, there was a reason why I got laid off because I'm

41:13

actually bettering myself.

41:21

Absolutely.

41:22

I love that.

41:26

So for someone listening that feels stuck, know, ashamed, overwhelmed, what's the first

41:26

piece of advice that you would give them?

41:38

you are not alone.

41:40

Like first and foremost, whatever thoughts are going through your head, those thoughts

41:40

have been in somebody else's head before you, they'll be in somebody else's head after

41:50

you.

41:50

The hardest part when you're dealing with going through hard times or people who've dealt

41:50

with depression, you feel like nobody gets it.

41:58

You feel like that you're truly alone.

42:01

I've been there, I've deleted the contacts in my phone, I've sat on the grass at five

42:01

o'clock in the morning with a certain special hotline, waiting to get some kind of

42:10

assistance, you feel that there's nobody there.

42:12

But I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt, there is always somebody there for you to

42:12

talk to, and you're not alone in whatever you're going through.

42:22

And when you kind of remove the fear of being truly alone in it, uh

42:27

it becomes slightly easier to help navigate the next steps after that.

42:36

100%.

42:36

And because I remember being in that, I actually just overcame a depressive mode, probably

42:36

within the last month, I was in a kind of a rut for about two or three months.

42:49

And I, it took me a while to get out of it.

42:52

Uh, but it's, it's like, once you kind of remove that barrier and actually let people in

42:52

to help you and admit that you need the help, that's when you're going to see and feel

43:03

like.

43:03

yeah, the hardest part is admitting that you have a problem.

43:06

I think that when you're dealing with depression, and obviously we're not professionals in

43:06

that regard, but it's been in my experience in having dealt with depression, the best way

43:17

to get over depression is to acknowledge it.

43:20

Say it to, I'm depressed right now.

43:22

I'm having a really up and hard time right now.

43:25

And just acknowledge, stop trying to fight it, stop trying to play it cool with your

43:25

friends and family or,

43:31

posting on social media, everything is good, even though you're dying inside, own where

43:31

you are right now.

43:37

And once you can own it, you feel a sense of relief because you're saying it.

43:42

It's like when you have an addiction, anybody who's had food or drugs or alcohol or

43:42

anything, the moment you admit that you have a problem, that you have an issue is the

43:52

hardest part.

43:53

After that, it's not always a cakewalk.

43:56

but it gets a little bit easier to get to the next phase.

43:59

So people who are struggling own your feelings, say it out loud, talk to yourself, write

43:59

it down.

44:06

Just stop kidding yourself and just say, I have a problem.

44:10

And then start looking into resources on how to get to the other side of it.

44:16

And I can attest to that because that's when I actually admitted that I had a problem and

44:16

that I was going through all this stuff.

44:24

That's when I saw the biggest change in myself.

44:28

And it seems like the change just never stops now.

44:31

it's always something.

44:32

I mean, I'll still kind of fall back into some old ways because I'm still working through

44:32

stuff, but the change is there.

44:38

Yeah, of course.

44:39

When you're in a negative headspace, you find the negative in everything.

44:42

Like, your coffee wasn't, of course my coffee wasn't warm enough because the nothing I

44:42

can't have anything.

44:48

And you just start creating, you just start finding the negative in everything.

44:52

But instead, like, hey, I had money to buy myself a cup of coffee today.

44:57

You know, like I have a car that I was able to drive to a drive through.

45:01

There are people who don't have and like, once you start putting things into perspective

45:01

and trying to find

45:06

a glimmer of something positive in all of this.

45:09

And maybe I'm askewed because I've always been someone that whenever the crap has hit the

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fan really bad, the universe always finds a way to put humor into it.

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And this is a serious topic, but I was on the hotline on a live chat waiting for my turn

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to have somebody to talk to.

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And when it was my turn, my phone froze.

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And I would look down and I'm like,

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And I'm like trying to touch the phone and nothing worked.

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And I'm like, the one time that you need somebody to help you and there's nobody there.

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I literally laughed out loud because of course, of course the one time that I decided to

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turn to this hotline and it doesn't even fricking work for me.

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Of course it's not going to happen for me.

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And then I started laughing and I was like, if I can laugh in this moment, I'm going to be

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okay.

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I might not know how.

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I'm gonna be okay.

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just know in my heart I'm gonna be okay.

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And it's always, my whole life has been like that.

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It's like whenever something crappy happens, something funny in my world happens, and I'm

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just like, yeah, that makes sense.

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Yeah, I'm the same way.

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I think humor is one of the best things ever.

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But I'm the type of person that I always laugh at the most inappropriate times.

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it's like, see, I'm trying to think of how to word it without me sounding absolutely

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terrible.

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You know, my wife will get after me for something or we'll have a little disagreement or

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whatever.

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And instead of trying to figure it out, I kind of start laughing and get a smile on my

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face.

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And sometimes it's like a nervous thing, but my wife absolutely hates it.

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I'm like, I'm sorry.

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Like it's just be trying to get through the moment.

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Like, and it's not even, yeah.

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I don't, don't like when things happen, like I always I'd say it's a dark sense of humor,

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you know, and you have to you have to know your audience.

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Yeah.

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And I always make the joke that like, if, if I was ever, put up on the stand for a crime,

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I'd probably be found guilty because I would start smiling and smirking.

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they'd automatically say like, he's guilty.

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I'm a terrible liar.

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I get really uncomfortable and then I start like giggling.

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Yeah.

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it's not even that like it's it's more like somebody calling something out or me getting

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like nervous like I have this little smirk and I know that I'm doing it but I can't help

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it.

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Listen, I'm a firm believer, like just be you, you know?

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and people need to accept you exactly as you are.

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I agree.

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Sometimes I feel like I've gone through life and sometimes that's easier said for some

47:46

people than done.

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great, I've learned in life that I no longer have expectations on people because like I

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can expect someone to stop doing certain traits or not to be a certain way, but then I'm

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gonna keep getting disappointed.

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I can't change other people.

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They have to change themselves.

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So I've learned to pick and choose my battles.

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And if it gets to a point where it's just too much for me to handle for my own personal

48:08

peace, then I can walk away.

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But I've learned to accept people exactly as they are.

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Quirks and all.

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that's awesome.

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I love that.

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And I think that's something that I need to, for the most part I do, but there's sometimes

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that like certain quirks or whatever like to really bother me.

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And I just can't get over them.

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I can't think of any examples, but there are some that I like.

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it depends on the person, because like I said, you know your audience, you know how people

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are gonna respond or not.

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I'm learning in my older age to confront and be on, I have a right to be honest with you.

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If I care about you, if I love you as a friend or a family or whatever, I owe it to you to

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be honest with how I'm feeling.

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So if I'm feeling a certain way about something, I'm being, there's ways you can approach

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it without being a jerk about it, but.

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I've learned to be more vocal about it.

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And if you truly care about me, then you're gonna care about my feelings too.

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And other than that, if it's something that I can't overlook, like I said, I have no

49:08

problem walking away from it, but sometimes people don't realize those quirks.

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They don't realize that it bothers you because you don't say anything.

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Exactly.

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So I just have a few more things here.

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This is awesome.

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I feel like I could keep talking to you.

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There's so many different ways we could go.

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I love this.

49:31

I'm having a great time.

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So what's one belief that you see people often carry that you just love to dig in and help

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them unlearn?

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that they can't do it, whatever it is.

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The biggest thing that I hear often is they can't do something.

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Whether it's in a professional setting or in a relationship or in their weight loss

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journey or just in like a general thing or whatever, I love when people say I can't do it.

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I was like, why?

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Why can't you do it?

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And then we start peeling back the layers.

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Yeah, that's fantastic.

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Cause it's like, I just automatically think back to my therapy experience.

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It's like, it's one of the things I had to unlearn was, well, I can't do that.

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I can't do this.

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No, you can.

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You're just not putting your mind to it.

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Right.

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Now some things, people can be sarcastic.

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If it defies the laws of physics, then maybe likely, but even then I'm like, what?

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Maybe there's a way.

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Maybe we don't know the way yet, but maybe there's still a way.

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Like you're, I'm still gonna, I'm still gonna combat it.

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Yeah, I absolutely love it.

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So you've, I'm to go back to, you know, mobile stuff here.

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So you've been living mobile for years.

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What keeps you motivated to continue evolving?

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Honestly, I think it's the people.

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I think it's the people that I meet.

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Like I said, it started with a single t-shirt and then it got to getting messages from

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people.

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I've had people from all around the world.

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I've had clients in Italy and Australia and Canada.

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It's getting messages that tell me that when they're having a rough day or if they're

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about to do something really hard, they put on their MOBA hat or they put on their MOBA

51:16

shirt and it's what it represents.

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They're like, beasted it.

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because I wore MOBA today.

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And I've had people send me photos of them doing 10 Ks or five Ks or running for the first

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time and they wear their MOBA gear.

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It's not about, yeah, the shirts are nice quality.

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I do a lot of tri blends.

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I don't believe in cheap products, but it's more than the shirt.

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It's what it represents.

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It represents the belief that you can do this.

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And with MOBA, like last year, we did a tough mutter.

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in St.

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Louis, Missouri, in I think it was uh September of, no, April of last year, where we had

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like 10 or 15 people that were all formally obese, some were at one point over 500 pounds.

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And we did 10 miles together in mud, in obstacles, and watching people in real time

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conquer something that they never dreamed ever possible, that we just did it again this

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year.

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We just did our second Tough Mudder in Nashville in October.

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And uh

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And it was a whole new slew of people who had never done it before, who were terrified and

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watching people accomplish something that was impossible.

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Some like there was people that I've met that their goal was to get a driver's license as

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an adult.

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They hadn't gotten one yet and they were terrified of the process and they would wear

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their MOBA shirt.

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And then they went out and got their driver's license or people that had like health

52:34

scares that were told that, you know,

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kind like with you and me, that they were gonna have to succumb to this for the rest of

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their life and it was able to overcome that.

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And so for me, it's far more than what the t-shirt is.

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Yes, I would love to make sales and push my product out into the world.

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It's more of like the people who have embraced the movement.

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That's what keeps me going every day.

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That's fantastic.

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Most of the time it only takes a few of those people to keep things pushing forward.

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You're like, oh yes, that's a huge win for me.

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Mm-hmm.

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And they're turning around inspiring other people just by embracing a mindset that they

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can overcome anything that they set their mind to.

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So what would you say is the biggest stigma when it comes to mental health?

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that it's weak to seek help.

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think, and like, and in fairness, I think that I looked at it that way for a long time,

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you know, like I grew up having to figure everything out myself and I didn't talk to

53:46

anybody and I kept everything in and like, just suck it up and keep going.

53:50

And it gets to a point where you can push it down as much as you want.

53:54

Your body's gonna make it come out of you at some point, whether you're ready for it or

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not.

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And I think...

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I think people take the term mental health as like this negative connotation.

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Mental health does not necessarily just mean depression or anxiety or bipolar or some

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clinical.

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Mental health is also a positive mindset.

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It's also positive thoughts.

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It's a positive, it's mental health, having a good mental health, having a negative mental

54:16

health.

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But I think, I think the term is just, it's been synonymous with something negative for so

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long that people are afraid to admit that

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they're feeling off, you know?

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It's normal.

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Yeah, that's great because I think it's important to point out the positive side of mental

54:35

health.

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Like you said, we don't do that a lot.

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So that's very well said.

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So where can people find you?

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Um, so my website is moba mentality.com.

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That's where you can find the apparel and you can find a link to the community.

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have a community on discord that people join.

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Um, I'm on tick talk.

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I'm moba.shari.

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I think the same on Instagram.

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I think those are the three most main places that you can always find me.

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Like my website has contact information.

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You can reach out to me.

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You can always send me a message.

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And the last thing is we've discussed quite a few topics here tonight.

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Is there anything that you'd like to bring up that we did not cover?

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Mmm.

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The biggest piece of advice that I haven't yet put it on a shirt, but I'm gonna put it on

55:31

a shirt, is that we always have two choices.

55:38

You will always have two choices in life.

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I don't know, can you curse on here?

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I don't think you can curse.

55:44

But be, okay, bitch and complain or adapt and change.

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We're always gonna have an option no matter what we are being faced with.

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And like I said, the one thing that we are guaranteed in life is change, whether we want

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it or not.

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How we navigate through that determines our mindset.

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and determines our character.

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Awesome.

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Love it.

56:06

Sheri, thank you for spending an hour with me and coming on and being a badass.

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Well, thank you for having me!

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I've really enjoyed the conversation.

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This is all great.

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Stories like yours, the reason that I keep going.

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I also get an added thing where it's almost like a free therapy session for me.

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So thank you.

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do to help.

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And you have my contact information.

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You can always reach out to me anytime as well.

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And if you ever want me to come back, I'll just invite myself back.

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That's fine.

56:37

That sounds great.

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I love, I love people who want to come back.

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It makes me feel like I'm doing something right.

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So.

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I love that.

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Well, you're a very welcoming host.

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like I said, I love the flow of conversation and not feeling so like cut and dry.

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Awesome.

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